anti-fascist breakcore

[DISEMBOWELLED Profile]

following the recent controversy in the UK about the video of that racist woman on a london tram I decided to make this

http://soundcloud.com/murdahorse/patriot

then I realised I don't think I've heard many breakcore tracks with an anti-racist / anti-fascist theme... I thought this was always an element of the politics of the "original breakcore scene" ?

so share any breakcore stuff here that has an anti-fascist / anti racist theme!

[Sense of Direction Profile]

Good track, maybe you'll start a trend.

[divtech Profile Website]

Unfortunately, breakcore doesnt seem to tackle specific issues often. I think it may be the reliance on short sound clips that keeps any bcore message from being very complex, in-depth or specific. I wish i was writing more tracks for specified issues but being totally confident with a mic is intimidating yet and those really cool powerful sound clip gems are few and far in between.

Aside from this, im interested in seeing anyone else with bcore of this nature post stuff.

I say listen to Realicide.

[Sense of Direction Profile]

Yeah and finding just the right samples for your message is not always easy

[DISEMBOWELLED Profile]

^ half the fun though, innit? when you find that perfect bit of dialogue and you're like YES! and it inspires you to build a track around it

I think we're blessed now in comparison to even like 5 or 6 years ago, we've got not only youtube but also (in the UK at least) bbc iplayer, 4od etc so if you see something on tv you can come back to it later on your computer and grab it

[Zwaken Profile]

Having music about politics is like making a video game about the stock market, imo... It just doesn't work for me.

The most inspirational, deep, touching tracks for me are usually are ones that have no words, just music.

[divtech Profile Website]

Having music about politics is like making a video game about the stock market, imo... It just doesn't work for me.

The most inspirational, deep, touching tracks for me are usually are ones that have no words, just music.

politics is just a word which generalizes an enormous set of personal emotional struggles for the lives people wish to live. Reference to each of these cases from such an objective position psychologically assumes each holds little overall value so I understand it is easy to dismiss or be dissillusioned by 'politics.' Just remember that each individual personal which makes up the whole of politics holds within it a more individualized emotional reality, which, on the small scale, when channeled through music, makes it meaningful (for the listener or the creator).

Inspirational music gets its power from the emotions you attribute to it. While those emotions are very difficult to define and put into words or simple topics, it is understandable that lesser-themed music is generally more appealing. When that music is not overtly directed, as much non-lyrical music is, it is easier to imagine it fills the emotional niche that it is given by the listener, thus, all other things the same, easier to enjoy by a wider range of peoples. As the listener feels passionately about the emotions they attribute to less directed music, music strictly defined by either theme or lyrics appeals to those who feel passionately about those topics.

I'm very sorry that the fight for racial equality and the stock market hold the same emotional value to you, however, understandable, if neither has outwardly effected you on a personal level.

[Zwaken Profile]

Having music about politics is like making a video game about the stock market, imo... It just doesn't work for me.

The most inspirational, deep, touching tracks for me are usually are ones that have no words, just music.

politics is just a word which generalizes an enormous set of personal emotional struggles for the lives people wish to live. Reference to each of these cases from such an objective position psychologically assumes each holds little overall value so I understand it is easy to dismiss or be dissillusioned by 'politics.' Just remember that each individual personal which makes up the whole of politics holds within it a more individualized emotional reality, which, on the small scale, when channeled through music, makes it meaningful (for the listener or the creator).

Inspirational music gets its power from the emotions you attribute to it. While those emotions are very difficult to define and put into words or simple topics, it is understandable that lesser-themed music is generally more appealing. When that music is not overtly directed, as much non-lyrical music is, it is easier to imagine it fills the emotional niche that it is given by the listener, thus, all other things the same, easier to enjoy by a wider range of peoples. As the listener feels passionately about the emotions they attribute to less directed music, music strictly defined by either theme or lyrics appeals to those who feel passionately about those topics.

I'm very sorry that the fight for racial equality and the stock market hold the same emotional value to you, however, understandable, if neither has outwardly effected you on a personal level.

No, the fight for racial equality is much more important to me than the damn stock market lol. I was just trying to make a point - when I listen to music, I just want to think about the music, and how that music makes me feel. For me, music is a place to escape to, to run away from the problems that I face on a daily basis. You may struggle with racial issues; I struggle with depression and anxiety. But I don't listen to music about mental issues to help escape those feelings, I listen to music that helps me escape my head for a while.

I understand that if listening to music about an issue you may be facing can be helpful, but to me, it's a different story. Everyone is different.

And also note that I'm not trying to start a war or anything like that - I just want to have a healthy discussion (and by me saying this, I am not trying to imply that you believe I am trying to start a war.)

[verdroid Profile Website]

seems that this topic has some good vibes.
For me it's both. Music to escape and then music wich i can relate to.

[DISEMBOWELLED Profile]

clearly both sides of this argument have strong merits and clearly it's not a case of one or the other. tbh I'm very surprised to hear zwaken's view that politics and music simply don't go together. i don't think I've ever heard anyone say that, regardless of their musical taste. but you do raise a point, often the most expressive/emotive music will be without words because it is inherently intangible and completely open to interpretation.

On the other hand you cannot deny that music can be (and often is) a powerful instrument for conveying a specific issue or message..in particular a political one

and divtech, your post above re "what is politics" is probably the most insighttful thing i've ever read on this forum. kudos to you.

[divtech Profile Website]

No, the fight for racial equality is much more important to me than the damn stock market lol. I was just trying to make a point - when I listen to music, I just want to think about the music, and how that music makes me feel. For me, music is a place to escape to, to run away from the problems that I face on a daily basis. You may struggle with racial issues; I struggle with depression and anxiety. But I don't listen to music about mental issues to help escape those feelings, I listen to music that helps me escape my head for a while.

I understand that if listening to music about an issue you may be facing can be helpful, but to me, it's a different story. Everyone is different.

And also note that I'm not trying to start a war or anything like that - I just want to have a healthy discussion (and by me saying this, I am not trying to imply that you believe I am trying to start a war.)

no worries man, i didn't really mean to sound too abrasive myself even if it read that way. I feel you on the whole point you're making and i do not think you're alone in the way you listen to music. I def have a lot of music that i listen to for the reasons you described. That whole rant was really just my feelings on music and politics. I feel that they serve some wonderful purposes and i wouldn't want anyone (here especially) to feel discouraged about writing political music.

[divtech Profile Website]

kudos to you.

im really flattered, thanks!

[Zwaken Profile]

This is a damn fine thread.

[Zwaken Profile]

And while most the time I do find more pleasure in songs that have no lyrics, or talk about a light hearted subject, I am sometimes in moods to really think about what an artist is talking about... I don't want to completely contradict myself here, I was just explaining what I usually find myself listening to, and how I usually use music as a tool to please my soul.

There are certain cases that I sometimes forget about, however, that I should have mentioned.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCLZVTBbUGc

Feeling Lazy by Boy is Fiction.

This song only has a few lines of lyrics that repeat throughout the song, but they hit me like a fucking brick. It has brought me to tears at times.

"And I'm feeling lazy today
and I feel like fucking wasting away
I can hear the powder calling my name
I just want the chemicals again"

The sheer power that these lyrics can really be over powering for anyone who has struggled with addiction of any sort. I have an issue with drugs (opiates, to be specific) and when I first heard this song, I listened to it how I listen to most songs - without really listening to the lyrics and hearing the vocals as an instrument rather than something that carries a message, and I still loved this song at that time... It's a very peaceful sounding song.

However, after I listened to it a few times, I finally decided to pick out the lyrics (something that is very hard for me to do - I'm just bad at understanding spoken words, especially in the context of a song; so many other sounds distracting me from what is actually said) and then I began to cry.

Like I said, mostly I listen to music for just that - music. But in rare cases, there can be something that strikes me deep within. Never has that been a song about government, current world issues, or anything of that nature. But fighting an internal war within your own body, mind and spirit against something that can change your behavior as drastically as something like oxy, dilaudid or heroin is something that I have experienced and am still experiencing. So when a song is about that, and hits the nail on the fucking head so perfectly as those lyrics did with me and my situation, it can really make you reflect on your own life.

Although, songs such as 444 by Autechre and Thomas Edison Invents The Lazy Dance by Quenem & Lee Van Dowski (which don't have any lyrics) have made me cry just as much, if not more.

(And no, I'm not one who cries too terribly easily, and I rarely get too emotional.)

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Some people think of politics in a purely 'Parliamentary politics' sort of way (Economics and politicians doing things and shit), but politics is much broader as David was pointing out.

"All communication is political", as was pointed out by someone famous that I can't remember off the top of my head. But the point he was trying to make was that all communication is informed by our experiences and belief systems, so by making an album full of love songs and avoiding discussing, say, the war in Afghanistan, one would have unwittingly made a form of political statement even though we might not instantly recognise it as being so in conventional sense.