I Hate Breakcore

by **Stazma** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 9:31 am

Hail everybody.

I just wanted to know how many people here are politicly infuenced in their work and what kind of medium they use to share their message (samples, song title, atmosphere, whatever ...) and what kind of messages they want to share.

This is pure curiosity, I wanted to ask you people how do you feel about that. I started to be a little bit political since the end of 2010 cause the politic situation in France is becoming very scary.
For my part I like to use samples taken from political artist (mainly in the Hip-Hop & Punk scene) or from political discuss on the net or TV and collaborating with angry anarchist MC (http://soundcloud.com/stazma-the-jungle ... tazma-fuck)

For me it's just a way out for my disgust and anger about politics.

So go ahead mates, word is yours ;-)

by **kowalczyk** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 12:27 pm

When I'm cutting up rap, distorting pop music, and making breakcore-type stuff, I see it as a political statement, just because of the way it sounds.

Everything else I produce is just because I love producing music!

by **Infekkted** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:23 pm

Tho I used to be in an autonomous university grouping, I never really tried to get accross any heavy messages through my tracks. Molotov Cocktail is not influenced by politics at all, for example. It's just what this track sounds like (mashup of styles - cocktail, and molotov cause it's a bit heavy), and anyone is free to take it as they wish.

Honestly, even tho I think breakcore is totally riot and moshpit music, it is really hard to produce any political statement as long as it doesn't have any lyrics innit (no, track titles are not enough). I've chopped samples by politicians I hate, which I have used in "cops, pigs, killahz" - plus greek riot people shouting at the cops, and I think it's the most political my music can get, as long as I don't sing or write down anything. Thumbs up to you for collaborating with an mc.

Apart from sampling someone's speech (zeitgeit's and network's childish political statements have been overused in such music), or chopping punk/hiphop lyrics and tracks, I believe that electronic music cannot get that political, however much it may wish to become and even though it can be supported by squats or anarchists.

by **djtheblade** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 7:13 pm

All communication is political, not necessarily in a governmental or economic sense, but all communication IS informed by our own experiences and belief systems which makes it political in a sense. Like Infekkted says it's difficult to convey that much without lyrics, but as has already been pointed out, the act of deviation and deliberate ostracisation is a statement in itself; a lot of people in Breakcore actively attempt to create sounds that follow no real established dance music structures, that present no real dancefloor energies and that instigate a huge gathering of curious faces.

My newest track is simply called "Fight it", on the surface you could take that for largely anything but whereas the music may not feel particularly political, I do. People always say to me "I don't do politics", so I tell them, neither do I, but politics does me; it infiltrates every sphere of my private life and effects everything I do, for better and for worst. I don't understand how anyone can truly feel independent and fully detatched from politics, the spectacle is all around us. As such I'd love it if people were rocking out and getting angry to my crappy 4/4, but that's up to them.

Breakcore and Hardcore for me is a statement still, it's aggressive and heavy, it sticks a middle finger up to a lot of really un-inspiring toothpaste commercial dance. It's my way of conveying a lot of negative energy and trying to channel it in to something vaguely positive. Martial arts does the same for me.

With regards to specific musicians, those of you who know me know that i've always considered myself to be a punk bitch. My main love aside from Hardcore dance music is punk/post-punk music, a lot of which is hugely political. Some shit I like from that side of the rock and hip hop music spectrum:

This Heat, Nation of Ulysses, Fugazi, Pere Ubu, The Fall, At the drive in, Mission of Burma, Non Phixion, Company Flow/El-P and all Def Jux shiz, Cannibal Ox............

I'm just a bad ass punk rocker

by **ohmega sir** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:49 am

djtheblade wrote:

Breakcore and Hardcore for me is a statement still, it's aggressive and heavy, it sticks a middle finger up to a lot of really un-inspiring toothpaste commercial dance. It's my way of conveying a lot of negative energy and trying to channel it in to something vaguely positive.

that pretty much sums up my exact way of thinking altough my music isnt overtly polictical in way of track names, samples etc It is a direct statement of how ugly fucked up and brainwashed politics has made the world, it ruins lifes of everyday people all the time but on the surface has this shinny polished commercial element that the genreal public just smile away at and never question. What im trying to say with my music is that this is the kind of world i live in fast noisy aggresive dark violent but also pretty tounge in cheek. and to show people that whats in the charts and on the radio repeatedly doesnt in anyway resemble what the reality is (imagine a 1000 years from now if people look back and are only able to see shinny happy pop tracks playing in the background of shinny happy polictal speeches they will never know what life was really like)

by **Stazma** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:51 am

I'm fully agree with you, I'm glad to read your feeling about this. IT's funny cause I havn't care about this during lot's of time and like mr the Blade said I was just considering myself like doing a form of punk music with a computer hehehe.
It's always like that anyway and it's a funny fact that 75% of Breakcore or hard electronic music producers are coming from a Metal and Punk background. A lot of people who I chated with like Rotator, Autopsy Protocol and many more are considering breakcore like a modern form of punk.

So let go back to my computer and cut up some stuff and break it heheheh

by **Infekkted** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:18 pm

Well I am glad to read these from you people, not that I hadn't assumpted any of these, as I know the whole "idea" behind breakcore etc,but what's important to me is that people still think in a political manner - cuz yeah, many punks in my country choose to remain a-political, a term which in my opinion cannot exist .

However when I get down to write some music I feel like tricking others if I say "this fucked up breakcore anti-mainstream cut-up stuff I make is a political statement. " . It's just my best way of expression, plus I always make sounds I would like to listen and dance to on my own and I think other people don't create. What I mean by that is that I rely more on emotional expression than ideological expression with my music, despite my music being formed inside a social context and surrounded by ideals and ideas, social, political, or just post-modern aesthetic. To me, many artists (poets or writers, take as an example "animal farm" by Orwell, which I didn't find literary at all) that try to convey political messages through art do in such a raw way that their art cannot motivate any feelings.

By the way I am also happy that breakcore is not a dominant music genre, as in many cases it is lacking the essential structural elements of the music genres it borrows its elements from. Even though it follows a line of "de-structure -->re-organise-->restructure" ,the final result is in many cases unstable and although it's refreshing and provoking, it still is chaotic and unreliable. Imagine a "breakcored" life, a "breakcored" culture, a "breakcored" social structure. Bliah. I would rather live a life that uses breakcore (and by that I refer to breakcore as an ideal and as a statement, like dadaism for example) as a motivation and source of change, rather than as a basis of social cohesion.

by **kowalczyk** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:50 pm

Infekkted wrote:By the way I am also happy that breakcore is not a dominant music genre, as in many cases it is lacking the essential structural elements of the music genres it borrows its elements from. Even though it follows a line of "de-structure -->re-organise-->restructure" ,the final result is in many cases unstable and although it's refreshing and provoking, it still is chaotic and unreliable. Imagine a "breakcored" life, a "breakcored" culture, a "breakcored" social structure. Bliah. I would rather live a life that uses breakcore (and by that I refer to breakcore as an ideal and as a statement, like dadaism for example) as a motivation and source of change, rather than as a basis of social cohesion.

This is a great description of breakcore, and partially how I'd like the world to work. It seems that people are stuck in the old ways of educating, helping the poor, getting people jobs. Everything basically. Everything should be more diverse and mixed up. It's like there's a copyright on politics, and that we aren't allowed to mix up the different tactics in politics.

I hope you don't mind that I steal this and translate it into Danish.

by **oldasadlo** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:33 pm

most political brkcorish music is by atari teenage riot. you cannot get more politics into breaks than few shouted lines of quite empty slogans repeated until they are even emptier.

i think the music (breakcore music) itself cannot carry any political message, it must be the artist himself, i mean any avantgarde art is not automatically a politics influenced art.

by **Feutus Lapdance** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:57 pm

Pfffff.....al the Power vs Power is political...al Kirdec is political. Breakcore is Electronic Punk. And Punk in itself dont like no authority. Breakcore does not like the meanstream. Breakcore does not like to go with the flow. Breakcore has shit on the flow. Breakcore does not like to be cool, Its cool because its puts things that are not cool in a cool or Sexsual context.
Therfore al breakcore is against politics that is against freedom of speech, freedom of sampleling, freedom of dressing and (freedom of drucs).
In Nederland we have a very big rise in Fascism richt now. That's very concerning for a lot of folks from the Dutch sene. But I dont see a rise in Anty fascism breakcore. Perhaps we are to breakcore to give a crap..

by **kosmonavt** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:31 pm

I make breakcore mostly just for fun. Not to send out a message or something. While i'm writing this I remembered that I am currently making a song sampling Geert Wilders, the leader of the fascist party in the Netherlands, but i guess it's just like hating on George Bush.

I do play in a punk band though.

by **producer_snafu** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:08 pm

although the roots of breakcore are political from the early works of atari teenage riot to foundation of Widerstand.org back in the day, i never really cared for politics in my music unless it exploits corruption.

my stand on politics is pretty much the same as nasenbluten's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03IMS_-CHos

by **JonBob** » Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:17 pm

I've always considered the abuse/use of pop music in bcore to be political, through it we are making art that goes against the letter of the law (at least in n. america). Making music that isn't even allowed to be legally distributed is, imo, pretty political.

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