so who invented breakcore anyways?

[matt bleak Profile Website]

some folks downunder seem to think it was invented in australia ... i tend to disagree, most probably it originated in germany circa 1990 but maybe i am wrong? oh and before anyone mentions it - i know my mum / mom played her part in the invention of breakcore

[PEPCORE]

I thought somewhere in England or something, just originated out of hard jungle and dnb i guess, people wanted more fragmented music, who can blame em

[matt bleak Profile Website]

I thought somewhere in England or something, just originated out of hard jungle and dnb i guess, people wanted more fragmented music, who can blame em

can you name any artists to support this theory mr. pep?

[DIGIT216 Profile]

i was gonna say Scud, which isn't far off, but i think there was a time when seriously there was a similar sound coming together in different places...

taken from Wikipedia's definition of "breakcore":

Proto-breakcore came from London, Berlin and Newcastle, Australia (home of Bloody Fist Records). Early influential artists include Alec Empire, DJ Scud, Panacea, Christoph Fringeli and Nasenbluten. Fringeli describes the sound then as "a hybrid strategy rather than a style or genre. It drew its influences and sources from industrial hardcore, jungle/drum'n'bass and everything in between and neighbouring it, engaging in an alchemy of sounds, pillaging the rave culture and sharpening, radicalizing and intensifying it."

!!!PILLAGE THE RAVE CULTURE!!!

[matt bleak Profile Website]

i was gonna say Scud, which isn't far off, but i think there was a time when seriously there was a similar sound coming together in different places...

taken from Wikipedia's definition of "breakcore":

Proto-breakcore came from London, Berlin and Newcastle, Australia (home of Bloody Fist Records). Early influential artists include Alec Empire, DJ Scud, Panacea, Christoph Fringeli and Nasenbluten. Fringeli describes the sound then as "a hybrid strategy rather than a style or genre. It drew its influences and sources from industrial hardcore, jungle/drum'n'bass and everything in between and neighbouring it, engaging in an alchemy of sounds, pillaging the rave culture and sharpening, radicalizing and intensifying it."

!!!PILLAGE THE RAVE CULTURE!!!

sounds like wiki got it right for once

[Vephor Profile]

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[djtheblade Profile Website]

I'd say the Ambush Crew and the Digital Hardcore crew simultaneously took drum and bass and Dub to the next level, and started really distorting and re-arranging the breaks. I reckon Records like Snipers at work and The Destroyer are some of the first examples of true deviation from the existing sound. Before that there was plenty of really messy Amen Jungle, but it never opened up to other influences. Some of those early Ambush and DHR records are still harder and more inspiring than a lot of new releases. When you consider that songs such as The Peak were churned out around 95 to 96, you realise just how groundbreaking some of this malarky was, even if it was ruined by crappy nonsensical pseudo-political rhetoric.

[producer_snafu Profile Website]

yeah, some say it was alec empire, he originated the lazy use of using the amen break in every track

[PEPCORE]

I thought somewhere in England or something, just originated out of hard jungle and dnb i guess, people wanted more fragmented music, who can blame em

can you name any artists to support this theory mr. pep?

Read it a while back, don't recall names.

[eraritjaritjaka Profile Website]

i've heard a few people lay claim to alec empire's 1992 track, 'totenposse rides out' as the first 'breakcore' track. but really, it depends on your definition of 'breakcore'.

[DIGIT216 Profile]

I'd say the Ambush Crew and the Digital Hardcore crew simultaneously took drum and bass and Dub to the next level, and started really distorting and re-arranging the breaks. I reckon Records like Snipers at work and The Destroyer are some of the first examples of true deviation from the existing sound. Before that there was plenty of really messy Amen Jungle, but it never opened up to other influences. Some of those early Ambush and DHR records are still harder and more inspiring than a lot of new releases. When you consider that songs such as The Peak were churned out around 95 to 96, you realise just how groundbreaking some of this malarky was, even if it was ruined by crappy nonsensical pseudo-political rhetoric.

well it's hard to draw a definitive line between "who started it" between, DHR, Ambush & Bloody Fist, b/c all the artists that were involved in those labels [i.e. Alec, Scud, Nausenbluten [Mark N, Xylocaine & Disassembler] all were actually working almost independently from each other in and around 90-95...

Alec was working on techno around 91 and seemingly only started "releasing breakcore" around 94, which was the same year he also put out the destroyer ep...

where as the Bloody Fist crew [or the smaller Dead Girl label that was the BF predecessor] was putting their stuff out in and around 91-93. however some would argue that some of those releases weren't "breakcore" [the best argument ever, wtf is breakcore anyway? ], but mostly industrial hardcore/speedcore with breaks, ...

Ambush first release was was actually later in 97. snipers at work didn't come out till 98...

although there was another crew, which i think maybe pepcore was thinking about, the DEAD BY DAWN collective that was in the UK...

i can't find the write up that was online somewhere, but they also claim to be another sort of cultural hub where breakcore seemed to spawn out of, b/c a lot of them were really into a mix of social activism, punk, jungle, speedcore, noise, etc...

i actually have their EP that was put out on Praxis...

http://www.discogs.com/release/114556

however, that was released in 97 also, but i believe that was way after the fact that the DBD crew stopped doing their events...

although like i said, even before these "releases" those artists had to have been working on their music independently from each other and probably wouldn't have heard of each others music till maybe a couple of years later after it was released...

heh, this is actually a good conversation i should have with Mark N when he gets here....

[Dj Doreetoh Profile Website]

excatly - how could 3 sets of artists from different parts of world make same thing not hearing the other

[djtheblade Profile Website]

I remember reading an interview with Scud, he said he'd not really had anywhere to release his music aside from DHR, but he wanted more control over how exactly he went about distributing his records etc and so Ambush was the obvious solution. I think this shows that the folk at Ambush were aware of the DHR brigade, and vica-versa, they just had completely different agendas I suppose.

[djtheblade Profile Website]

yeah, some say it was alec empire, he originated the lazy use of using the amen break in every track

If it aint broke, don't fix it. Alternatively, if it aint broke, then break it.

[DIGIT216 Profile]

you know what, FUCK ALL THAT SHIT...

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