I Hate Breakcore

by **arctopus1222** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:49 pm

does any one know how aaron from drumcorps gets all those slowed down sounding drum sounds ive fucked around alot and i cant figure ut how he gets it to sound like that, also im quite a newb at this so can anyone point jme in the right direction as to how to get started at this stuff, i have ableton live and renoise but i cant figure out renoise at all

by **WarFace** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:17 pm

not sure, try sampling and editing a few of Drumcorps bits till you get a feel for it, im sure itl come to you

by **MarkyPoo** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:21 pm

Not Quite Sure Exactly What Your Describing But As Far As "Slowed Down" I'd Recommend A Good Ol' Fashion Pitch Drop.

by **JonBob** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:51 pm

time stretching?

by **rtificial** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:19 am

He uses ableton live and that effect is when a drum break is slowed down with the "per beats" setting. It's like a time stretching like sound. There are 4-5 settings for sound clips in ableton and that one is the default setting.

by **rokhausen** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:59 am

sounds like he does a lot time stretching via granular resynthesis and/or phase vocoding

ableton will do it, as rtificial mentioned, warping a clip in "beat" mode
that's a granular routine, as are the "tone" and "texture" modes

ableton's "complex" warping mode, to my ears, sounds like a phase vocoding routine, which IIRC stretches the sound using fourier analysis and breaks it down into many "bins" of sinusoidal frequencies (rather than repeating/stuttering blocks of samples in the loop the way a granular routine does) giving it what might sound like a "cleaner" stretch... or it might sound like shit, depending on the sample you're stretching

"complex" mode sometimes kills the punchiness of drum loops. so, if it's that pv sound you're going for, you might be better off processing the break somewhere else (ie. spear) and dropping it back into live.

as far as i know, renoise offers no easy way to time stretch a break while preserving it's pitch. but i'm sure it can be done with a little creativity and elbow grease.

hope this helps :!:

by **arctopus1222** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:39 am

thanks for the advise! i am a metal guitarist, without a drummer, and i have recently been heavily inspired by drumcorps and other breakcore, i want to learn how to merge my guitar playing with breakcore(which is the hard part for me becasue im a complete newb at it)

by **rokhausen** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:47 am

arctopus1222 wrote:thanks for the advise! i am a metal guitarist, without a drummer, and i have recently been heavily inspired by drumcorps and other breakcore, i want to learn how to merge my guitar playing with breakcore(which is the hard part for me becasue im a complete newb at it)

just out of curiosity, given your name... do you have anything to do with Behold... the Arctopus?

by **MarkyPoo** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 2:43 pm

arctopus1222 wrote:thanks for the advise! i am a metal guitarist, without a drummer, and i have recently been heavily inspired by drumcorps and other breakcore, i want to learn how to merge my guitar playing with breakcore(which is the hard part for me becasue im a complete newb at it)

Yeah I Sample My Own Guitar Playing Or My Friends' Guitar Playing Occasionally.
I'd Recommend NOT Making Riffs For Breakcore. Make Some Like PV Or Grindcore Riffs And Then Slice Them Up And Reorder Them Over Breakcore. That's What I Do. Check Out My Stuff For Ideas?

by **arctopus1222** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:33 pm

im an major fan of B...TA, and everything colin marston/kevin hufnagel/all those dudes, ive met them a couple times when i saw them live but thats about it, im just a megafan of those dudes

by **rokhausen** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:47 am

arctopus1222 wrote:im an major fan of B...TA, and everything colin marston/kevin hufnagel/all those dudes, ive met them a couple times when i saw them live but thats about it, im just a megafan of those dudes

haha, ok i see... yeah, they're pretty awesome.

by **arctopus1222** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:26 am

if u dig them u should check out genghis tron if you havnt already, they just released like 5 remix vinyls of their slightly new album board up the house, also the dudes from B...TA have alot of cool projects all different insane shit

by **killkollective** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 4:24 am

Depending on what programs you are using. So I'm not sure either, but for breakdowns, personally I like to half the speed of my loops using ******* sound recorder and it's also extremely precise. And then saving the loop as a copy. Lesson no#1. Hahaha! Never save over the original. Then I add a pitch shift and a lil' reverb to the loop via my sequencer. Experiment. You might even find your own sound that will define you from other artists.

by **Mighty** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 4:36 am

you can achieve the same effect ala soundmurder and others like rude and deadly did even before him by taking multisamples of a loop or drum and time stretching by spacing out intervals of the cuts of the sample in different frequencies and tempo.

Im not explaining it the greatest but perhaps someone here could illustrate it better.

I can remember doing stuff like this on a kurzweil sampler and akai's. I remember being able to quickly and easily mimic this in soundforge as well.

I Hate Breakcore

The music we love to hate!

... just a question

... just a question

Who is online