I Hate Breakcore

by **divtech** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 9:44 pm

brokoloid wrote:3 words

hey bey bey

i agree.

by **nethiros** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 10:30 pm

JonBob wrote:I gotta say, I don't know if the low quality tracks you come across so often are a sign of a downward trend in bcore or just a result of being able to release music with the click of a button. Digital photography is the same, with photosharing sites and cheap technology, suddenly everyone's a shitty cliche photgrapher, shooting fuckin puppies and flowers just like every bcore producer uses amens, gabber kicks and hooves. not to mention horror samples. god, the horror.

hell yeah! im listening to a darkside dnb mix from '98 and it's pretty similar to today's neurofunk, but at the same time dnb still kicks ass for me. dark dnb will always be dark syncopated music with distorted basslines around 170 bpm, (which is VERY predictable) but new songs won't turn boring. at least they didnt for the last 15(?) years. you know why? because only quality will get pressed on vinyl. if you'd dl every free netlabel dnb release you'd say "GOD make it stop!", apart from the gems (if you're into dnb-oriented breakcore check vulpvibe records, even tho they're furries their free music kicks ass). problem with bcore is that today netlabels make almost 100% of breakcore's recent releases because no "proper" label and their signed artists release stuff.

no offense to netlabels and unsigned artists, it's just that in my opinion a genre needs some means to sort out the high quality shit from the rest, and that's what labels do for me.

by **divtech** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 10:56 pm

i think the really sad part about that whole freelabelcrapcore approach is that if it wasnt for that, breakcore would probably be completely dead.

id love to see more from quality labels but it just doesnt come that often

by **nethiros** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 12:44 am

yes, breakcore isnt dead. it's a coma patient. nah, just kidding but... you know, when drop the lime bitched about "shitty bedroom producers" i felt he was right. it's not about bedroom producers, but the shitty ones. and if there's a good release but the only promotion it gets is the same one the other 10 shitty releases get, how on earth will i find it?

and how am i supposed to spread the rumor? on obscure websites that only the most dedicated breakcore-listeners (or mostly producers) know? well that's what happens right now and what leads to almost everyone listening to breakcore also producing it. that's right, bro: breakcore is a giant mantrain doing bukkakke on a coma patient.

by **IHC** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:08 am

CHARACTERISTICS

Throw in :

* an aim of appealing to a general audience, rather than to a particular sub-culture or ideology

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop_music

by **nethiros** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 7:33 am

IHC wrote:CHARACTERISTICS

* a focus on the individual song or singles, rather than on extended works or albums
* an emphasis on craftsmanship rather than formal "artistic" qualities
* an emphasis on recording, production, and technology, over live performance
* a tendency to reflect existing trends rather than progressive developments

the big difference is that in breakcore the point gets replaced by

* a tendency to build off itself rather than progressive developments

even reflecting trends (and i dont mean mashcore) would be better than musical incest, mh?

by **IHC** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 12:02 pm

a tendency to build off itself rather than progressive developments

build off itself ?
what does that mean ?

a lot of the music from this scene has been exactly a breakcore reflection of other genres. be them pop remixes (kid606), dubstep (Ebola), hip hop (bomb20), metal (drum corps), punk (realicide), chiptune (farkin' SNAFU), booty bass (I.H.C), jungle, rave, etc etc etc etc

it seems breakcore shouldn't be a genre as much a plugin or preset.
"it's like gangsta hip hop.. but in a breakcore styleee"

but then this is perhaps because breakcore is "the rebellious" music.
and thus relies on other genres for s(t)imulation.

by **IHC** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 12:35 pm

i should probably add something like i'm just playing the devils advocate really. And there ain't nuthin wrong with any of the above artists or their music.
i love ta sample and be inspired by all the genres of the world.
narcissistic breakcore reflections are the best .

sometimes it feels like Skeeter is the only true breakcore musician left !

by **nethiros** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 12:45 pm

well, doing other shit breakcorized is okay compared to producing breakcore using other breakcore as inspiration. thats what i meant with building off itself.
it's not like "hell, i got some breakbeats and i LOVE psychobilly, lets see if i can do some crazy shit with that" but more like "zomg, my snarerush 3000bpm gabberkick madness sound with glitched up amens is sooooo much harder than any other breakcore before!!!!!111"

...and thats what's wrong with breakcore. it's like you wanna paint portraits, but instead of trying to paint people you take an existing portrait and try to paint it. nothing fresh and innovative in that, huh?

by **acid_sound** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 1:35 pm

"...and thats what's wrong with breakcore. it's like you wanna paint portraits, but instead of trying to paint people you take an existing portrait and try to paint it. nothing fresh and innovative in that, huh?"

You are so right!

I don`t know how much you all are into hiphop, but the german mc jan delay aka eißfeldt once said in a song "who makes hiphop but only listens to hiphop is doing incest!"
and it`s totally the same in breakcore.

Listen to Indie, Pop, Rock, Metal, Hiphop, Techno, Classical, Jazz, Glezmer, Reggae, classical music from the 20th century....

then go back to your sampler and listen to the shit you produced all the time. than delete it and start new.

and it will sound freshhhhh!

my inspiration in the last weeks has been country and jennifer lopez, and i think it`s dope! =)

by **TalixZen** » Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:43 am

I can still remember when I had never heard the term breakcore, but I was already obsessed with it. I was happy when I discovered that someone had finally put a name to a sound that had been around for years, but was as-of-yet undefined.

I think the biggest problem with breakcore is that it DID get defined. Just like all music genres it grew popular and then got stale. There is still tones of good stuff out there, but most of the best stuff is now labeled under a different genre name now.

I also think that there are some strange things being said about the amen break in this thread. I'd like to point out that almost every jungle track written in the past 15 years has contained an amen break. Having an amen does not make a track breakcore. There's amen breaks in hardcore and dubstep and drum and bass sometimes. Besides there is a million things a person can do with an amen break (or any sample at all for that matter) to give it a unique sound. A few years ago their was a netwide project called the amen project or something where artists were asked to make and submit a track made ENTIRELY from the amen break, and no the songs didn't even sound remotely similar.

I do agree though that using nothing but a single distorted amen break is cheap and ineffective and overdone. There are tones of breaks out there to use.

Breakcore is defined by the chopping, not the amen.

Chop chop!

by **divtech** » Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:04 am

i think everyone should just stop making breakcore

it should be like the punk rule, if you call yourself a punk, youre a poser
everyone knows it but no one admits to it

make breakcore embarrasing again!

by **mouse3000** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:51 pm

In my opinion these producers / bands are putting out some great original stuff right now:

-The Fez! (wrong lab album is awesome)
-Airborne Drumz (great new album on his myspace)
-Brokoli (can't find many songs but I love the few mp3s I have gotten hold of)
-Flat.E (just made a brilliant mashup album, not sure if it's downloadable yet though)
-USA Kings (technically speaking a lot of their stuff isn't great but I really love the feel, the energy and the vibe of their music)
-Horse Force (only found 5 songs but they're all awesome)
-Kodek (crazy & funny mashup "crapcore" from Latvia)
-Xacksecks (brilliant swedish producer)

& the list continues...

by **TalixZen** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:52 pm

arists I like:
Jonbob from Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada (it's about time some breakcore started coming out of that city. I lived there for 5 years and I couldn't get a gig to save my life)
http://www.myspace.com/jonbobssite
Tasman Richardson A toronto based video breakcore artist:
http://www.v-atak.com/shop/pirates-of-breakcore-island
Jubal Brown, also a Toronto based video breakcore artist (maybe it's not all breakcore, but it's got the energy of breakcore)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPqf6a1K ... re=related
Laf-O This guy is amazing. He hasn't posted anything new in a while, but it's some quality stuff.
http://www.myspace.com/lafo
Raxyor form Buffalo, an Iheartbreakcore member:
http://www.myspace.com/raxyor
The First Seed, again from Toronto (I live in Toronto so i am most familiar with our locals)
http://www.myspace.com/thefirstseed
Famine Kinda like wisp at times. Toronto
http://www.myspace.com/chxstfamine
Cakebuilder. Kinda like Enduser meets Current Value. Dark DnB style breakcore
http://www.myspace.com/cakebuilder
Kamikazze Deadboy. Might be from Halifax too, I'm not sure. Crazy raw insane stuff
http://www.myspace.com/kamikazedeadboy
Grasscutter. An Australian producer with a very IDM sound
http://www.myspace.com/grasscutter
Luke Peril. AMontreal producer with an IDM sound. Kinda like APhex Twin meets Xanopticon
http://www.myspace.com/lukeperil
Chainsawtooth. Kinda like xanopticon. No amens.
http://www.myspace.com/chainsawtooth
nWoDtLeM. Very goofy stuff, but he makes videos too.
http://www.myspace.com/nwodtlemhmcr
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frRlw6pOZc4

That's all I can think of at the moment

by **TalixZen** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:06 pm

I Hate Breakcore

The music we love to hate!

breakcore has become predictable and boring..discuss!

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