Alec Empire Talks To NTR About Origins Of Breakcore!
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after reading all of this thread, I can pretty much say I've had it with this faggot ass scene
there's nothing going on here anyhow
dreams don't come true
everybody dies
there's nothing going on here anyhow
dreams don't come true
everybody dies
just memes and donks these days
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djtheblade wrote:Aye that's Kazakh, there is some throat singing in there for sure, it's quite traditional across many of the Turkic and Oriental cultures, with styles spreading as far east as some of the Inuit/native peoples of Americas.
Edit > Those birds are fucking hardcore.
Turkic too? I thought it was mainly mongonlian cultures that did throat-singing.
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Babylon Disco wrote:djtheblade wrote:Aye that's Kazakh, there is some throat singing in there for sure, it's quite traditional across many of the Turkic and Oriental cultures, with styles spreading as far east as some of the Inuit/native peoples of Americas.
Edit > Those birds are fucking hardcore.
Turkic too? I thought it was mainly mongonlian cultures that did throat-singing.
The Tuvan language is part of the Turkic language group. The ethnic lines are obviouslly more blurred but in terms of the linguistics at least, most of the northern asian countries belong to the Turkic language groups (Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Turkmenis etc). I'm quite fond of a lot of throat singing so i've been routing around a bit to find some artists, it's a lot of fun, albeit a bit limited without hybridisation. That's where Breakcore comes in

Got some throat singing on one of my new hardcore tracks, aptly titled "Tuva".
I have this discussion with my mate a lot.
I'm only 20, 21 in a few days (woo!), but hes a bit older, 28 I believe.....and been into this stuff since the mid nineties.
He says similar things to what alec said about distortion ect....(although has never specified how its made)
i can fully understand why people have this view even if it may seem a bit 'old skool' because of how the genre was spawned.
I think over the years breakcore has become quite clean sounding , perhaps so its more dancefloor friendly, but maybe this isnt breakcore anymore?......
but then inventing new genre names can be silly so people tend to branch it all as breakcore.
I've always thought breakcore should keep the 'core' element as much as possible, with contrasting high pitched harmonic noises and bass heavy chugs littered amongst spazzy fuelled breaks that make your average clubber squeal like a pig in disgust. (thus keeping these sort of people out of raves simply because they dont want to go)
With subtle thought provoking elements or atleast some character reflecting the personality of the producer.
I like loads of different stuff though so it doesnt have to fit this pattern for me to like it, but then its more avant garde or braindance or whatever......personally im not a fan of labelling genres when it comes to weirder stuff.
ive been playing about with hardware an aweful lot lately, using guitar pedals, mics, an air fx and whatever i can borrow off a mate for the day and i've noticed some great ways to achieve that lost golden analogue sound whilst still using a computer or laptop. admitedly its quite a bit more time consuming than fiddling with knobs until you find that sweet spot but i personally think it sounds pretty mental.
this might sound like absolute shite to you (or blatantly obvious) but here goes....
if you have 2 computers, a laptop and a computer or 2 laptops this is a great way that lets you really mess about more.
have your generating computer go through a piece of hardware, something stereo is usually good but not essential, or why not experiment putting both sides of the stereo through 2 different hardware effects....
this gives you 2 different platforms to play about with, and 3 if your computer is hooked up to a midi controller.
Have the sound coming from the computer through the fx going into another pc/laptop through the line in recording it all.
this gives you loads of room for experimentation and by putting the recording level really low you can get those awesome distorted sounds that wont clip, then boost the volume and chop up the recording afterwards.
if you dont have 2 computers there are other ways that wont have as much manipulation room but still retain the lovely warmness.....
bounce down your audio you wish to use and burn a wav to a cd/stick it on an mp3 ect and do the same, putting it through some fx and recording at the other end.
Computer, laptop, cd/mp3 payer line out ---> hardware ---> computer or laptop line in
you can have a lot of fun doing this and stick pretty much whatever you want in between the two computers.
Another good method which im pretty sure a lot of idm producers use is recording sounds to a tape or reel to reel, then playing it back into a computer.
or of course, finish your track and record it to tape......

I'm only 20, 21 in a few days (woo!), but hes a bit older, 28 I believe.....and been into this stuff since the mid nineties.
He says similar things to what alec said about distortion ect....(although has never specified how its made)
i can fully understand why people have this view even if it may seem a bit 'old skool' because of how the genre was spawned.
I think over the years breakcore has become quite clean sounding , perhaps so its more dancefloor friendly, but maybe this isnt breakcore anymore?......
but then inventing new genre names can be silly so people tend to branch it all as breakcore.
I've always thought breakcore should keep the 'core' element as much as possible, with contrasting high pitched harmonic noises and bass heavy chugs littered amongst spazzy fuelled breaks that make your average clubber squeal like a pig in disgust. (thus keeping these sort of people out of raves simply because they dont want to go)
With subtle thought provoking elements or atleast some character reflecting the personality of the producer.
I like loads of different stuff though so it doesnt have to fit this pattern for me to like it, but then its more avant garde or braindance or whatever......personally im not a fan of labelling genres when it comes to weirder stuff.
ive been playing about with hardware an aweful lot lately, using guitar pedals, mics, an air fx and whatever i can borrow off a mate for the day and i've noticed some great ways to achieve that lost golden analogue sound whilst still using a computer or laptop. admitedly its quite a bit more time consuming than fiddling with knobs until you find that sweet spot but i personally think it sounds pretty mental.
this might sound like absolute shite to you (or blatantly obvious) but here goes....
if you have 2 computers, a laptop and a computer or 2 laptops this is a great way that lets you really mess about more.
have your generating computer go through a piece of hardware, something stereo is usually good but not essential, or why not experiment putting both sides of the stereo through 2 different hardware effects....
this gives you 2 different platforms to play about with, and 3 if your computer is hooked up to a midi controller.
Have the sound coming from the computer through the fx going into another pc/laptop through the line in recording it all.
this gives you loads of room for experimentation and by putting the recording level really low you can get those awesome distorted sounds that wont clip, then boost the volume and chop up the recording afterwards.
if you dont have 2 computers there are other ways that wont have as much manipulation room but still retain the lovely warmness.....
bounce down your audio you wish to use and burn a wav to a cd/stick it on an mp3 ect and do the same, putting it through some fx and recording at the other end.

Computer, laptop, cd/mp3 payer line out ---> hardware ---> computer or laptop line in
you can have a lot of fun doing this and stick pretty much whatever you want in between the two computers.
Another good method which im pretty sure a lot of idm producers use is recording sounds to a tape or reel to reel, then playing it back into a computer.
or of course, finish your track and record it to tape......

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nethiros wrote:looks like alec won't come back
I like how this turned in a whole discussion and shit, but to be honest this means as much to me as stepping in water with my newly cleaned socks.
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just because it's PHYSICAL gear, doesn't mean it's ANALOGUE gear. most drum machines and samplers and hardware synths are DIGITAL in nature. i don't see people lugging moogs around.
i just got in a fight with someone on my label over that. misrepresentation. telling people you're all analogue when you're using digital gear is just stupid. you can say oh i use hardware. or oh, i use a laptop and midi gear, but don't go on and on about using analogue gear unless your gear is truly analoge, and i highly doubt any of you are using truly analogue gear. i don't really know shit about all the technical shit, but i know the difference between digital hardware and analogue hardware. jesus
i just got in a fight with someone on my label over that. misrepresentation. telling people you're all analogue when you're using digital gear is just stupid. you can say oh i use hardware. or oh, i use a laptop and midi gear, but don't go on and on about using analogue gear unless your gear is truly analoge, and i highly doubt any of you are using truly analogue gear. i don't really know shit about all the technical shit, but i know the difference between digital hardware and analogue hardware. jesus
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i just happen to be reading an issue of Computer Music magazine and saw this dude by the name of ALEC EMPIRE BEING ASKED ABOUT HIS FAVORITE SOFTWARE!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Y73sPHKxw <== watch link first then scroll down to see the jpeg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Y73sPHKxw <== watch link first then scroll down to see the jpeg

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producer_snafu wrote:i just happen to be reading an issue of Computer Music magazine and saw this dude by the name of ALEC EMPIRE BEING ASKED ABOUT HIS FAVORITE SOFTWARE!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Y73sPHKxw <== watch link first then scroll down to see the jpeg
Unfortunately I think this interview is about the software he uses to produce his current style music (ie. the stuff that isn't breakcore).
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mouse3000 wrote:producer_snafu wrote:i just happen to be reading an issue of Computer Music magazine and saw this dude by the name of ALEC EMPIRE BEING ASKED ABOUT HIS FAVORITE SOFTWARE!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Y73sPHKxw <== watch link first then scroll down to see the jpeg
Unfortunately I think this interview is about the software he uses to produce his current style music (ie. the stuff that isn't breakcore).
i'm well aware of that
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divtech wrote:if one does breakcore with a laptop, it's not breakcore...it's somebody faking breakcore. Breakcore must be done with hardware samplers and ANALOGUE desks
lol
WHAT...THE...HELL...
you think you're cool claim yourself as a creator?
fucking douche!
i agree with babylon disco....its a problem of cost for buying a tool or gear like that, and a tour, and a record, a release et cetera et cetera bla bla bla...
what if a creative people dont have money to buy such a thing like that?? may i call it 'creativity murderer'?
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