Notes on Breakcore (documentary)

[kvkvg Profile]

'fraid so. i went to see him 3 times in a year, the frst was in berlin when he was still doing the 'core. it was fucking amazing! one fo the best gigs ever.
the other three two were in birmingham once surporting kid 606 (who was shite) and the other time was with his trouble and bass crew. not many people dance here in birmingham, but i was stomping with two other friends. i was begging him to chop some breaks up for me, he teased us with some vocal samples from his core tunes (everybody on the floor....NNNNOOOOOWWWW!!!!!) but it essentally remained at 140bpm.

dont fret too much, he still puts on a good show and their is no doubt he is a fucking talented bloke. (the we never sleep album is the best convental dance album ive herd since fat of the land, but i just dont like convental dance that much)

creator, you have inspired me to start a new topic, hold on one sec.....

[FreDaK Profile WebsiteICQ]

amazing video...... I liked it

[Chaos Chaplain Profile Website]

Whoa, venetian snares at 3m10s, I didn't know he could move at gigs! :O

[Alan_ Profile]

interesting snapshot there of the euro scene.

also, interesting to note the profusion of "breakcore is dead" proclamations. given that I think of the "movement" as being defined by not defining itself, I think we still have a bit of steam left.

I think the big danger is if things start to become too self-referential, like what happened with drum and bass. drum and bass used to be all about pulling in influences from all manner of genres, but as years went by producers stopped looking outside the genre for influences and things got homogenized and stale. as long as people don't all wanna sound the same we'll do fine.

aaron spectre is indeed one of the nicest humans on the planet, as are fanny, xanopticon, jason forrest, ed fliss and abelcain...none of em came off like a stupid rockstar in any way, just good people.

[hue-e Profile Website]

I started my life with electronic music in the dnb/jungle scene, which as alan stated, grew stale a while ago, for me that was about 2yrs ago. But, I still hang out and talk to a lot of people from that vien and every time a conversation about "breakcore" comes up, each of them instantly have this idea of what it is. Everyone basically thinks it's just splatter breaks and noise. I have to tell them that the idea they have is way to limiting and that the label they put on it doesn't describe it at all.

That said, I like this line from the flick...

"I think it's potentially dangerous if it becomes considered a defined genre"
~Christoph Fringeli

[Lycan Profile]

where's shitmat though?

for serious! there's a huge list of artists how prolly should've been. although the artists they did have in there had a very good perspective on things.

[Lycan Profile]

did anyone not find certain aspects of the film really depressing?
like when mike paradinas tells us 'its all over' like we missed the boat or somthing...
i got the distinct feling that a lot of the perople on there were closing the doors to their little club....or are we bedroom producers really that shit? but on the other hand, most of the produers seemed really cool.

I found it depressing that some people came off as shitty smug bastards. but i guess that happens when you get so big; to get pressured by a large number of people to try and recycle shit you've already made. which is why I'm glad venetian snares was saying he was switchin it up as of late. you have to keep things fresh. once you feel like you're making the same song, in some sense, the magic is fading

[Lycan Profile]

^ the point is that the film isn't a definitive reference on the music at all. I see it more of a time piece, specific only to the events and sounds featured at the parties shown in the movie. It shows a healthy scene around the music when it happens at the Wasted parties, and that's about it. Its good that some of the history was discussed, but the film and music now is more of a spectacle in the moment you hear it. Things change all the time. I thought the film was already a bit dated personally.

Who cares what Mike P thinks about "breakcore". I don't. And I'm not a fan of Mike P at his best because he releases breakcore related records on his label. I was kinda surprised he as included in the film as a reference, but i'm sure he knows some of the music and its history enough to warrant an opinion on it. Would it matter if say... Alec Empire was featured in the flick giving his opinion about the stuff? No.

Dj Scud? Maybe.

But other than that, anybody can make up their own mind on where, when, and IF the music is going anywhere. It doesn't take a film to do it.

true true. it showed a growing scene and had good insights and philosophies on the music, which i liked, but it was subjective at best. this wasn't the holy word of breakcore or anything.

[Lycan Profile]

Good point,

im not a big fan of Mr P's music but in the uk at least, he does hold some sway. i have spoken to many produers here that consider planet mu the holy grail of record companies...the new warp. most are just starting out, but are inspired and they hope for the future. if this and other compaines close their doors on the artists they have inspired, for whatever reason, it could undo years of work and the scene can loose its momentum. ultmatly it will not be the producer, but the 'breakcore' fan who suffers.



its like the people in this film started the breakcore train rolling, it got goin real fast, they gave birth to some bastard children and are now staring to bail before the young learn how to control the train.
the kids realise that to try is futile. they don war paints, prey and sample frankie goes to hollyood. when all else fails, they start to fuck.

the boys give birth to more children through their penisis and the girls inplode into their own cunts (all acepct for Hecate who is in the back carrage, letting goths suckle on her teet while eating cornflakes, for she has no snatch). education is no longer considered a priority, so they now only know of jason forrest.
the breakcore train is getting faster, it overtook the gravy train a few days ago. but with its lack of direction, it derails and plows into the overkill tent at the glade.

limbs are everywhere, and not necessary attached to anybody or anything. sweat dripping off the cealing facilatates the flood of crimson that now flows out of the tent. all you can hear are screams and crys.
the sound police decided the volume levels are too high they start to seal club those who are not already dead....

and that ladies and genltemen, is my very stoned history of breakcore.

hahaha. I'd know that ranting string of banter anywhere. good work man. now THAT'S a perspective.

\m/

[Lycan Profile]

did anyone not find certain aspects of the film really depressing? like when mike paradinas tells us 'its all over' like we missed the boat or somthing...

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i dont think that it is over, its just changing, what they were used to is over.

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how can it be over? THE MESSAGEBOARD JUST STARTED!



ok, I'm done my multi-post rant. carry on.

[Lycan Profile]

ok i lied

I started my life with electronic music in the dnb/jungle scene, which as alan stated, grew stale a while ago, for me that was about 2yrs ago. But, I still hang out and talk to a lot of people from that vien and every time a conversation about "breakcore" comes up, each of them instantly have this idea of what it is. Everyone basically thinks it's just splatter breaks and noise. I have to tell them that the idea they have is way to limiting and that the label they put on it doesn't describe it at all.

That said, I like this line from the flick...

"I think it's potentially dangerous if it becomes considered a defined genre"
~Christoph Fringeli

I feel the same way about dnb heads I talk to. People just seem way too opinionated around here to accept a holistic view of music. I've only briefly dropped breakcore business at random gigs, and I get the idea people just feel like "oh, that music." oh well. I'm gonna keep playin the shit I like and keep lovin music. I'll get back to you fellas when DC or Bmore has a breakcore party.

[Neppi Profile Website]

for some reason you (*I*) would think that it would be easier to get DnB heads into breakcore, as to me its not that far off from it, but for some reason its much easier to convert house heads..

WTF is up with that?

[somebedroomdj Profile Website]

Ironic that Snares was complaining about breakcore being a brand when he churns 16 albums a year on one of the biggest labels around. I'm sure he doesn't mind getting paid...

[bleakcunt Profile Website]

i really despise this documentary and the majority of the people who appear in it...i have said this once and i will say it again : BREAKCORE IS OVER WHEN WE SAY ITS OVER!!! fuck drop the lime & fuck venetian snares i couldnt give a fuck what they have done music-wise and quite frankly after hearing the utter egotistical (and possibly cocaine-addled?) crap they spout on this documentary i have absolutely no interest in tracking down their stuff whatsoever - even if it was free. these people did not invent breakcore, merely popularised it (to an extent) and tried to commercialise it (and failed dismally)...how bout a documentary about the unsung heroes of breakcore - the unknown faceless producers not the attention grabbing trend jumping egotistical shit-talkers...oh and drop the lime - if u ever play a show in australia again i will be attending : to personally blacken your eyes and spread your nose across your face for that bedroom producer quip, think i'm kidding? i'm pretty sure there will be a queue behind me as well douchebag...try snorting coke then u fu*cking toy

[shift decimal Profile Website]

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