Breakcore BPM

[Necryte Profile]

I was wondering what tempo you guys keep you breakcore around, because the last song I made has a bpm of 300, and it's still not nearly as fast as I want it. I want it to be around the same speed as happy hardcore.

[S2K08 Profile]

eh, you don't need to be that fast, unless if you're using a tracker or something. =

but 300 is essentially 150, which isn't very fast at all, 10 bpm faster than typical dubstep and 10 bpm slower than typical old school hardcore/rave stuff (which obviously breakcore shouldn't really be slower than).

I like 200 though, sometimes, can work really well; "I'm Off My Tits You Son Of A Bitch" By Acrnym, is a prime example of that.

Actually, anywhere between 175-6 (all of Detrimentalist) to 200 is good. You should save anywhere over 200 til you're really fuckin pisssed off about something though; http://soundcloud.com/sherekahnn/dope-in-da-woofer

(FYI: I'm already anticipating people disagreeing with me, so all of this is mainly IMO)

And also, just do whatever the fuck you want as long as it sounds decent

[Feutus Lapdance Profile Website]

360 for me. Thats a good speed for me + I can use samples of speed 120 in my tracks. Most comercial shit is around 120.

But somtimes I go for 500.

[Necryte Profile]

eh, you don't need to be that fast, unless if you're using a tracker or something. =

but 300 is essentially 150, which isn't very fast at all, 10 bpm faster than typical dubstep and 10 bpm slower than typical old school hardcore/rave stuff (which obviously breakcore shouldn't really be slower than).

I like 200 though, sometimes, can work really well; "I'm Off My Tits You Son Of A Bitch" By Acrnym, is a prime example of that.

Actually, anywhere between 175-6 (all of Detrimentalist) to 200 is good. You should save anywhere over 200 til you're really fuckin pisssed off about something though; http://soundcloud.com/sherekahnn/dope-in-da-woofer

(FYI: I'm already anticipating people disagreeing with me, so all of this is mainly IMO)

And also, just do whatever the fuck you want as long as it sounds decent

I don't see what a tracker has to do with anything, but thanks. I'll try them out. I just want it to sound fucking insane. Check out foxdye. I really want to know how fast his/her shit is. It's fucking intense.

360 for me. Thats a good speed for me + I can use samples of speed 120 in my tracks. Most comercial shit is around 120.

But somtimes I go for 500.

Ah, it's like you read my mind! I needed to know about what a good speed for samples is also. I have a bit of a problem with the samples I want matching breakcore speed. lol

[Feutus Lapdance Profile Website]

Keep in mint....... There is so much kinds of breakcore. Divitech stuf is realy difrent than the stuf of Monsterx. If jou listen to Cakebuilder jou see that Breakcore can be as slow as Hiphop.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fptfToya4v0

[divtech Profile Website]

eh, you don't need to be that fast, unless if you're using a tracker or something. =

but 300 is essentially 150, which isn't very fast at all, 10 bpm faster than typical dubstep and 10 bpm slower than typical old school hardcore/rave stuff (which obviously breakcore shouldn't really be slower than).

I like 200 though, sometimes, can work really well; "I'm Off My Tits You Son Of A Bitch" By Acrnym, is a prime example of that.

Actually, anywhere between 175-6 (all of Detrimentalist) to 200 is good. You should save anywhere over 200 til you're really fuckin pisssed off about something though; http://soundcloud.com/sherekahnn/dope-in-da-woofer

(FYI: I'm already anticipating people disagreeing with me, so all of this is mainly IMO)

And also, just do whatever the fuck you want as long as it sounds decent

as much as i dont like pigeon-holing the core sounds, this is a very accurate portrayal of what i often hear within bcore.

and for the comments about 300-500bpm, again i will agree with shere, usually to me that's just the range between 150-250** and although i think my music is on the faster end of the spectrum, i only have one song that gets as high as 270, but mainly i work between 180 and 260 (with a few bits lower/higher than that, see "Vengeance Upon Thee" which is at 140bpm but has parts which some would consider 280bpm

http://soundcloud.com/divtech/divtech-v ... -upon-thee

**(although there are a few artists out there, mainly within the speedcore and splittercore style, that actually use tempos that are much higher than 300, however usually on a psychological level your brain converts it back to whatever you can actually process simply, which ends up being, in my experience, what you can physically bob your head to)

addressing the tracker comments, the reason it matters whether youre in a tracker or not is because without employing incredibly high bpms in trackers its very difficult to create fast retriggers and glitches, the higher the bpm in a tracker, the easier it is to fit more beats in the same length of time

[ohmega sir Profile]

i personally make shit between 180 and 230 but i dont really think it matters if your tracks are cool as fuck, i really really love fast and aggresive shit its my favorite "type" of breakcore, but there is also some slow ambient amazingly well produced shit, i think the BPM should be a personal prefrence

[brainslushie Profile]

Usually when i write stuff it ranges from 180-240bpm. The 2 tracks i have up on my soundcloud are 240bpm, which really is just because it sounds cool that way. Although - from a psychological point of view 240bpm is really just 240/4=60, so its a bit of a "natural because of seconds-minutes" kinda thing, if you look at it that way.

But in the long run, its just personal preference which most the other replies here already stated

[djtheblade Profile Website]

Make something slow, it's fun

[Necryte Profile]

Although - from a psychological point of view 240bpm is really just 240/4=60, so its a bit of a "natural because of seconds-minutes" kinda thing, if you look at it that way.

But in the long run, its just personal preference which most the other replies here already stated

That is actually how I look at it.

[Necryte Profile]

Thanks everyone! I just wanted a general idea of everyone else's tempo preferences, and they all seem to be around the same.

[brainslushie Profile]

Although - from a psychological point of view 240bpm is really just 240/4=60, so its a bit of a "natural because of seconds-minutes" kinda thing, if you look at it that way.

But in the long run, its just personal preference which most the other replies here already stated

That is actually how I look at it.

We seem to have similar opinions on a lot of stuff according to replies on this forum, although our tunes are pretty different That's pretty cool imo

[PEPCORE]

Mostly between 160bpm till 300 sounds good, it just depends on how your cutting the breaks and placing the kicks. If you're making a track at 160bpm and almost every note has a kick and sick snare exchange it's gonna sound fucking fast and probably not be classified as a 160bpm track.

But if you make it at 300bpm with a note every 8th or 16th beat it's going to sound slow. Just depends on what you like, if you make the track at fast speed you can really easily make a lot precision glitching and everything.

If you want to make your song sound faster, just exchange notes and hits faster, it has nothing to do with what tempo the song is made at. It's just what everybody likes.

[S2K08 Profile]

its very difficult to create fast retriggers and glitches, the higher the bpm in a tracker, the easier it is to fit more beats in the same length of time

Thank you, didn't think that'd need to be explained.

I think the general concencus is that 180 (or 45 or 90 or 360 or 720, whatever the fuck you prefer to do) is the standard for a "fast break" anything over that and shit's getting pretty dope. That said, speed doesn't count for shit if the break don't sound good anyway...

[baconhanger Profile WebsiteYIM]

i tend to set my bpm high, so what would be 4 bars @ 120 would be 2 bars @ 240, which means i can fit double the sounds along the y axis

i learned it's not really the tempo that makes it sound fast, it's the duration and spacing between individual notes. (i.e. 8th notes instead of quarter notes)

also, if you tighten up the decay/release of individual clips (i.e. breaks - remove the last few milliseconds of each hit) they sound choppier and sometimes make them a little more distinct. hats, cymbals, snares have long release times, and sometimes shortening those release times makes room to throw another hit or 2 in the gap. those long decays also sometimes blur the image in the high mid range, which ends up sounding like crap, especially at higher bpm's

i'd also like to add, faster doesn't make a track 'good' or 'heavy'.
what i like to do is add some halftime breakdowns in there somewhere, and add pauses! those spaces make shit sound heavy, and make the drop punch that much harder. try soloing just the melody/background for a second or 2 RIGHT before the first hit of next section. that little pause gives the listener split second to calm down, ask "wtf" and then POW! you hit them in the face.